Possibilities with fixing SQUEAKY antique wood floor (common 1st try fixes wouldnt work)

Possibilities with fixing SQUEAKY antique wood floor (common 1st try fixes wouldnt work)

Possibilities with fixing SQUEAKY antique wood floor (common 1st try fixes wouldn’t work)

Before you think I just posted this without looking into it, I’ve researched

and researched and researched via Web and a couple friend DIY’ers and a

professional, and the common fixes I’ve seen wouldn’t work here.

Our living room floor is SUPER squeaky; a 30 lb dog will squeak as loud as a

person, and it’s pretty much the WHOLE floor. Just standing in place and

adjusting your weight from toes to heel will creak the whole room, and

someone walking across it will vibrate the whole room and rattle stuff on

shelves, etc. There are also a couple places where you can see with your

eye that there’s a little dip in the floor.

Now, this is a really nice old hardwood floor, with 4, 6, and 8 planks,

3/4 thick, with dowel covers that are actually real and cover where the

planks were screwed into the diagonally-running 3/4 toungue/groove

subfloor. It looks terrible (has been carpeted w/ obvious multiple spills,

etc. for decades), but I’ve managed to talk my fiance into letting me try

to fix the squeaks and refinish the floor (it was a tough battle).

The only fix that seems like it might solve the problem (talcum powder, etc.

will NOT solve this) suggested to me WITHOUT having to removing the floor,

replace the subfloor 3/4 toungue/groove with plywood, and then reinstall

the hardwood, was to go to the basement and screw diagonally upwards through

the joist and into the subfloor, about 2 screws for every subfloor plank.

Now, this would put a HECK of a lot of screws through the joists (the

subfloor is 9 wide planks, running diagonally to joists), and I worry about

just tearing the joists and subfloor up without actually fixing the problem.

Some things that are of interest:

- Seen from below (in the basement, looking up at the ceiling, which is the

joists and subfloor of the living room), the subfloor planks are obviously

toungue/groove, but they are spaced so it looks like the toungue wasn’t

actually put INTO the groove; I can see the toungue in almost all of the

planks, so there are these little gaps between all the subfloor planks where

I can see what I assume is the toungue of each one. Maybe this is part of

the problem?

- The joists seem to be the typical 2 x 9’s, and seem to be in decent shape.

There are a couple double ones (2 joists right next to each other all the

way across this span), and a couple places where a small section of joist is

right next to the full-length (I’m assuming this was done during install,

and they saw some need for additional reinformement). One thing I did

notice is that almost all of those wood X-shaped cross-supports between

joists are doing nothing, like they’re all loose, or just hanging there

without being firmly nailed in to the sides of the joists.

- The majority of the creaking, if you’re a complete newb like myself and

going by feel and guesses, FEELS like it’s the hardwood floor itself moving

slightly. Like, I might be completely wrong, but it seems like the hardwood

floor itself is moving a tiny bit under your feet, not the hardwood floor

being firmly connected to the subfloor, and ALL of that moving. I could be

wrong, this is just a got a feeling thing.

So here are my options as I see them:

1) Use a screw to remove all the dowel covers (they’re glued in, but I

successfully removed several of them by screwing in a screw and using the

claw of a hammer to pry them out), and tighten or re-screw the hardwood

floor into the subfloor and (if that’s where the screw is) the joist below.

If this works, saw a bunch of new dowel covers and glue them in.

2) If 1 doesn’t work, try this thing with screwing upwards from the

Are there other options, or better ways to try these options? Might it be

cheaper, or a better idea, if 1 doesn’t work to get new wood milled (they

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